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Known as the M11 by the Dutch first contract consumated in 1911 with DWM.  Basically a 1906 Parabellum with the "RUST" Dutch "Safe", double-sided 'GELADEN' on the extractor and usually the Javanese-grips were significantly courser than the DWM made at the Geweermakersschool in Bavaria. These 'commercial type' 1906 models were adopted to the Dutch requirements and finally assembled by Vickers in 1922 for delivery during the period of restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles.  (1739)

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After WWI, in 1919, DWM began peace time production and to underline this shift was renamed Berlin-Karlesruher Industrie-Werke A.G. in May 1922.  During WWI the Dutch East Indies Army had largely expanded. The existing 1914 order had been cancelled by DWM's wartime production requirements and after the war the Dutch were ready to resume ordering.

  The predecessors of both DWM & Vickers had established links dating back to 1892. The Treaty of Versailles forbade Germany from producing 9mm and barrels of 100mm or longer. The Dutch order of 6000 Parabellums in the depressed time of the post war was a problem to be resolved. DWM response to this 1919 order arranged to deliver all the necessary parts for the "M-11" (Dutch nomenclature for the Luger) to be delivered "in the white" to Vickers, with a few gauges and machines for "final" finishing.

Note these are short framed, long-seared '06 models with the 9mm barrel with a 4" (100mm) barrel. Proof marks include the British Proofs under the barrel and the Dutch acceptance of Queen Wilhelmena. These Parabellums were originally shipped "in the white" without the grips and they were blued and grips made and installed by the Dutch in the East Indies.
The Serial number appears on the front of the frame and under the barrel. The last two digits appear at the bottom of the side plate and locking lever, inside on the trigger, the grip safety and other small parts. BELOW: We get our first look at the drop bottom magazine that is exclusively a Dutch signature item but because of it's propensity for failure was discontinued and became extremely scarce.  This Parabellum comes with the original Dutch magazine.
The very early prescription for the Dutch Luger was for a drop bottom magazine that permitted cleaning.  This was a great idea on paper for the climate of Indo-China to keep the magazines and springs clean and oiled but in practice these hinged magazines would come detached when slammed into the gun or from the recoil of the gun, leaving the bottom swinging and bullets falling about.  This was not good for morale. A second version was pinned in the back to prevent the magazine bottom from coming loose.
The brass plates that were brazed on the frame of the Parabellum were the unit identification markings. This appears to reveal the 8th Pistole of "B" company of the Garrison Battalion of Palembang & Jambi. Garrison troops were stationed off the island of Java and with smaller locations may have helped it evade the Japanese invasion.
The number of Vicker's produced parabellum was exactly 6,000 comercially serial numbered from 4182-10181. This  rather exclusive group of guns were proofed according to the British Proof Laws under the barrel. There are no gauge markings. The small tab on the bottom of the magazine is pushed from the back and the magazine drops open.
On the back of the early Dutch magazines is the spring indent that holds the bottom of the magazine. In this case you can see both the rear anchor pin and the magazine release spring which is negated in this version. This modification was rescinded when in combat the magazine release would drop out the bullets and empty the gun.  They were modified again as above.
The Front and Rear of the Vicker's P-08 show the full four digit serial number and the last two digits of the serial number appearing on the rear toggle above the lanyard loop. The standard "V" notch rear sight is seen above the serial number on the rear toggle.

Queen Wilhemina:  Although the Netherlands remained neutral during World War I, sizeable German investments in the Dutch economy combined with a large trading partnership in goods, forced the United Kingdom to blockade the Dutch ports in an attempt to weaken the Germans. The Dutch government traded with Germany in response. German soldiers were given their rations before an assault. Wilhemina was a 'soldier's queen', being a woman, she could not be Supreme Commander, but she nevertheless used every opportunity she had to inspect her forces. On many occasions she appeared without notice, wishing to see the reality, not a prepared show. She loved her soldiers, but was very unhappy with most of her governments, which used the military as a constant source for budget-cutting. Wilhelmina wanted a small, but well trained and equipped army. However, this was far from the reality. In the war, she felt she was a "Queen-On-Guard." She was always wary of a attack, especially in the beginning. However, violation of Dutch territorial sovereignty came by both Britain and the United States, who, with the blockade, captured many Dutch trade cargo ships in an attempt to disrupt the German war effort. This led to increased tensions between the Netherlands and the Allied forces.
All the pistols of this order arrived with the Crown "W"; on the serial number guns 1 to 2141 the proof mark was on the right side and on the left side for all the remaining so proofed.

On top of the Luger one can see the British Vickers, LTD on the first toggle and the absence of the DWM characteristic serial numbering on the extractor and first toggle.
Continuing to examine this variation as a 'Commercial' gun we see the right hand side of the firing chamber is not proofed as most military guns.
The left side doesn't reflect the serial number but the Crown W (Queen Wilhelmina) (A). (B) we can see the Geladen (Loaded) on the traditional left side.  Only exactly 6,000 "Vickers" exist and these were shipped in the 1920's to Dutch East Indies, some surviving WWII and of those the ones making it to the US can be counted rather quickly.
Above:  Located on the breech block and 1st toggle link is the Crown V British proof of Vickers (Queen Victoria) that shows it was proofed before hardening.

 Most Dutch Vickers are encountered with  a brass plate, measuring approximately 1 1/2 inches in length by 3/8ths of an inch in height, will probably be found to be braised onto the left side of the frame between the wooden grip and the left toggle. These plates were added to the pistol by the Netherlands Government for enlisted issue and usually have various combinations of letters and numbers inscribed thereon. They acted as identification plates for the profusion of military units to whom Lugers were issued.

The Dutch pistols, especially the Vickers M11 which were sent to the Dutch East Indies; they suffered from the ravages of the damp weather and jungle conditions. It is very difficult for the purist collector, who doesn't want a gun that was re-built either in Europe or the East Indies to find one in 'collectible' condition. The grip safety has the last two digits of the serial number. The grip safety requires the safety to be 'up' therefore the direction of the "Rust" arrow. 
ABOVE LEFT: With the toggle in full recoil once can see that the long sear prevents the safety (RUST) being applied when loading or charging. ABOVE RIGHT: With the Parabellum being "built" in England the English Proofs must be applied.  The Crown 'V' is the British Proof for Queen Victoria; the Crown "GP" is the proof mark of the London Proof House; the 'NP' is the "Nitro-Proof" or modern ammunition.
As with commercial proofing the last two digits of the serial number appear on the bottom of the locking lever and side plate, inside the trigger.
Dutch Vickers Parabellum 
In full recoil one can see the internal pins and springs that have been nitro blued.  This gun was most probably restored at least once in the Dutch East Indies and then again in Europe in the late 30's.  The Indonesian grips, the deep rust bluing with the nitrate blue of the "straw blued" parts and in particular the numbering of the rear main axel pin which was ordered by Germany in 1932. Any Dutch soldier could have a "bring back" from the East Indies and had it restored and then in 1940 when overrun by Germany the gun moved on.

Both the front and rear of the Dutch Vickers.

 To RESTORE or not has always been a stirring question among collectors of older no-longer-manufactured weapons.  Some say the most important part of any gun is the originality and cringe at suggestions of removing defects, damages or the ravages of rust - pitting. Everyone has run into a really rare gun that has suffered a rough life.  Should one bring a piece back to its original beauty or let that hole in the collection wait for better version? It becomes a personal choice but it is always better to have the choice than wonder what the value is of a gun that someone else decided for you.

For the only Luger manufactured in one year (1922) in England with the Vickers Stamp and the traditional "Rust" (Safe) with the brass unit marked side plate.
The grips of the Dutch are unique because they didn't come from the gun smith training school in Bavaria who were awash in their own requirements of post war reorganizing from a war-time schedule.  Rather they were shipped without grips to Java and their they were individually crafted, albiet with a much courser diamond but none the less fully function to the Parabellum. Inside the grips are what appear to be proof marks and the left grip appears to be a replacement with the "GS" proof. 
The exterior ABOVE has been enlarged to see the difference in the diamond size from the standard DWM pattern.
The Dutch were one of the first to adopt the Parabellum and their history is rich with the assistance in development, periodic purchase of the Luger ducumenting changes and weaving its history into the fabic of the war efforts.
It is entirely subjective to give any firearm a rating of excellent or fine, just as it is to declare it xx% blued or strawed. Few collectible weapons are out of the box new and these are premium priced. Bluing percentages is like Beauty, in the eye of the beholder.  We strive to provide pictures so you can judge for yourself if the gun meets your criteria. Any questions or request for additional purchases email to josef@phoenixinvestmentarms.com. This firearm is eligible for transfer to C&R permit holder, even in California. We are registered with CA DOJ for firearms shipment.

 The Vickers, outside of the Swiss variations manufactured by Waffenfabrik Bern, is the only model of the Luger that has ever been produced outside of Germany. Some say it was just "assembled" in England from German parts, however it has been stated that not only was some machinery sent but also some gauges.  It appears true that most of the gun were sent in the white but the application of "Vicker LTD" to a hardened part does not suggest a hardened part.

1922 Dutch Vickers

This 1922 Vickers 9mm Parabellum is in as good a condition with unit markings as we have seen in 40 years and offered for $3,895.00 over the counter. With a unit marking, Dutch made grips (proofed), and a drop bottom original magazine this is the Dutch collectors dream. The travels of this gun with the proofs from the Dutch re-build of the English made gun makes it truly a center piece of a Dutch collection. This gun may be sold before being posted as such on the internet.

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